Critiquing LilyOrchard's Writing Tips (Rant)

I know this won’t end well, but I have to tear this apart. Ms. Orchard, what the H E double-hockey sticks is this? This is chock full of creative restrictions that would make a meddling executive experience afterglow. I know I’m not usually this harsh, but this is me fighting for nuance writing. Even for series or genres that I don’t read. Oh man, let’s begin.

(1) Don't worry about spoilers. If your story is good, spoilers aren't going to make it any less enjoyable. If spoilers make a story less enjoyable, that just means you were relying on cheap shock value as a shortcut.

The first half about worrying about people predicting your story correctly is true. That’s a sign that your story is enticing people. However for example, telling an anxious writer that worrying a spoiler ruining a story means they are making shock value is definitely not thinking about implications.

(2) The middle point of a story is the best time to get a main couple together. Are you working on a 5 season show? Put your main couple together halfway through Season 3. The finale is the worst time because we don't get any time to enjoy the payoff.

This entirely depends on the story and the characters that are involved. Like all good stories, it is about how everything flows. A badly inserted romance scene or hook up can easily mess with that.

(3) Friends to Lovers > Enemies to Lovers. Every time.

Again, it depends on the story being told.

Good Example for Enemies/Lovers: Sly (Thief) and Carmelita (Cop) from the Sly Cooper series. Sly teases Carmelita a lot. However, he respects her, and knows that she can be a treat. Carmelita takes her job very seriously. She would lock up Sly in a heartbeat if he goes too far. However, she knows if there is a bigger threat. She can trust him to take them down. There’s an understanding that makes them work.

Bad Example for Enemies/Lovers: Aleheather from Total Drama never worked on me because the removal of Heather’s “friendship” with Harold was blatantly ignored for an entire season for this romance. Then the finale that could have touched on this again, Harold and Heather have NO dialogue together which made the slap kiss relationship with Heather and Alejandro the more forced.

(4) Victims of abuse moving away from the negative impacts of their abuse (ie, Zuko) and becoming healthier are not "redemption arcs."

Zuko was willing to do ANYTHING to get on Ozai’s good side again. This includes things that Zuko personally didn’t like himself. Zuko moving away from his family’s twisted ways to do what is right is the EXAMPLE B of an redemption arc.

(5) Heroes refusing to kill villains who have shown to be actively trying to murder people isn't "noble." It's enabling.

Again, this depends on the story. One of One Piece writing flaws is that Oda doesn’t like killing off characters unless it helps the story. However, villains like Rob Lucci and Katakuri surviving makes sense because Rob Lucci was raised up in his profession while Katakuri is very protective of his huge and dysfunctional family. In their minds, they’re doing the right thing and need to be knocked down peg. Arlong, Wapol, Crocodile, and Enel are examples of them not dying not making sense. They definitely put many lives in danger for their goals. However, Crocodile did get some dept to his character in Marineford Saga. The other three is up to debate especially Wapol.

(6) Two women kissing in the last episode of a show after 4-5 seasons of trying to murder each other isn't "Revolutionary." It's fetishized abuse and violence.

This is true for any type of relationship with abusive overtones. Unfortunately, this starting to becoming popular trend that makes me question the sanity of the fans and writers. Reylo for a HUGE example.

(7) Twitter is not an appropriate place to reveal story details. The appropriate place is IN THE WORK ITSELF!

This! Also, never explain a story breaking choice with alternate media either. Disney Wars is an idiotic example of this!

(8) When a character's body count is over 10,000 innocent lives then that character is no longer redeemable.

Jaden/Judai Yuki from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX would like to say hello. This is actually part of his character arc of Season 3 of taking things more seriously. This is also an example of great execution of a bad idea.

(9) Tip 8 does not apply to characters for whom making them the villain was a stupid, idiotic idea (ie, Sylvanas Windrunner). At that point it's just character rerailment.

Again, execution. Jaden Yuki literally goes through depression during Season 4 because of this. The season’s quality is up for debate, but many have count Jaden’s arc as one of the best parts.

(10) Everything in a story is there because the creator wished it to be there. Trying to explain away bigoted story decisions using worldbuilding is a fallacy because you put it there to begin with.

Historical pieces are an extreme monkey’s paw of storytelling. You either have to bring up some of the harsher parts or candy coat it. It’s a catch 22.

(11) Don't pair adults with minors. That's pedophilia.

Common Sense.

(12) Don't sexualize teenage characters.

Debatable. It depends on what story your writing. Is it story about a girl doing inappropriate stuff for money and runs from that life before she goes to deep? Or A guy uses his looks to get things he wants, but learns that his looks and sexuality doesn’t work on everybody. It’s depends on the execution. Also, PLEASE USE ADULT ACTORS FOR THESE TYPES OF MOVIES! THANK YOU! LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU, NETFLIX!

(13) Don't make up weird anime excuses for sexualizing teenage characters ("actually 1,000", "fusion", "Age of consent in X country is..."). See Rule 10.

Good thing that most of these tropes are anime and animation or Hollywood would have been nuked decades ago.

(14) Making a "metaphor" for gay/trans/ace rep is always inherently inferior to just making a gay/trans/ace character.

Again, execution is key. Ruby and Sapphire had their moments, but I don’t dislike them as individual characters.

(15) If there are humans in your story, restricting gay/trans/ace rep to the non-human characters makes you a huge turd.

Now, that’s just restricting creativity. Especially, if most of the cast are non-humans in a story.

(16) If the only gay man in your work is a faupish diva, you're a huge turd.

There are literal gay men that I know that find some characters like those likable. Again, execution.

(17) If the only lesbian in your work is an abusive rageaholic with vague angst issues and a codependant relationship to a protagonist, you're a huge turd.

(18) If your only nonbinary character is a non-human shapeshifter, you're a huge turd.

(19) If your only autistic character is an ethically-challenged number fetishist, you're a huge turd.

(20) If your only black character is a volatile, hyper-angry brute, you're a huge turd.

(21) If the only black woman in your cast barely gets any screen time except to be fetishized OR fits rule 20, you're a huge turd.

17-21 are all depended on execution. You can literally have an all black female main cast, and still have a random side character like “tip” 20/21.

(22) If the only trans woman in your cast a Drag Queen in all but name, you're a huge turd.

Okay, let’s be real here. The best way to handle this to introduce a character who is trans and never reveal it. Otherwise, there is too much red tape that I need to explain why writing and drawing this type of character is a death warrant.

(23) If you force a woman to kiss her abuser, you're a huge turd.

Again, this depends on the story. Is she kissing him to save face or did he force her to? Scary stuff like this needs to be focused on if you deal with certain types of stories.

(24) If you sideline every non-white character in your cast to focus on a white boy with anger issues and a tendency toward hostility getting a redemption arc, you're a huge turd.

Again, execution. The angry white boy could literally be the only character of his cast to need his issues settled before the conclusion.

(25) Justifying horny armor designs or horny clothing designs with "Sexual Agency" makes you a huge turd. Characters don't have sexual agency, you made them that way as a justification. See Rule 10.

And you really like using the word turd a lot. Anyway, this is another example of creativity restriction. There are girls in real life that like dressing this way without male input. Like the saying goes, sometimes reality influence fiction.

(26) Related to the above, if your justification is to just be honest and say you like ogling sexy characters, you're still a huge turd, but slightly less of a turd than the above. Slightly.

Honestly, Lily. Compare your avatar and your actual self. Let’s just say your being hypocritical. Especially, my own avatar shows off that I’m tubby. So, I have no problem showing my imperfections. If people are attracted by my avy, that’s a compliment!

(27) Don't worry about not having everything planned out beforehand. No writer or creator plans everything beforehand, and the ones who say they do are filthy liars. Writers have at best 1-2 story beats they're determined to include, everything else is by the seat of their pants

Most stories do have major points a writer or head writer is trying to reach. Again, sometimes once the flow starts moving characters that you weren’t originally planning to be friends or enemies can turn into you favorite pairs or trios to write. You can still reach the end goal of major plot point. You just have to flow it to the other ones.

(28) Don't try and "do what Avatar did." You can't. Even the people who made Avatar can't make another show do what Avatar did.

True. However, Aaron Ehasz is starting to be seen more as the person that kept the story afloat while Bryke just pitched the idea.

(29) Low-stakes interpersonal conflict will always be more satisfying in the long run than high-stakes saving the world. "Friends" is more popular than your favorite anime for a reason.

Execution as well as a mix of both. Is the protagonist’s girlfriend/boyfriend specifically needed for blood sacrifice to awaken a world destroying weapon or monster? For an example.

(30) Choose whether you're a comedy or drama at the start and stick to it. Don't make a comedy and turn it into a drama later on, that just annoys people.

It can actually help a series for this to happen. It does wonders for a character that could be suffering from flanderization that needs their character and deep seated problems explored or challanged. Again, execution.

(31) Worldbuilding is like salt. A pinch can make it better, 10 cups of it will not.

This depends on how far in the story that something like this happens. For example, Character A's flashback might involve Character B from three arcs ago. That can also tie to Character C's villain origin. Execution.

(32) Characters should always come before anything else.

True. But, if people get mad at the characters that you create. (See 17-21.) There will never be writer that can never try to give these characters nuance.

(33) The protagonist should be a protagonist, not just a vessel for the antagonist to hog the story. If you're going to make a villain protagonist, just open with that.

Naruto, for all its faults, handled this well with Sasuke until the Summit Arc. Sometimes, a main character and a main antagonist can be reaching their goals at the same time until they bump into each other throughout the story and have their series finale battle. Again, execution.

(34) Perspective shifts are a staple of storytelling. Having only one perspective isn't a "stylistic choice" it's just crap.

True, but it depends on the character or story. Steven Universe’s problem was that Steven was not asking any questions that most protagonist would ask in his shoes, leading to the show having world building and pacing issues.

(35) If you're making a cartoon, hire writers. Don't just have your storyboarders write the story. That's not what they're there for. Artists draw, writers write, artists cannot just take over for the writers on a whim.

They are people like myself that can do both. It’s just depends on looking for the right people for the jobs. Period.

(36) Related to Rule 2: Will They, Won't They isn't a fun story. It's just addiction-peddling. We need to stop pretending Ross/Rachel was good storytelling and learn to appreciate Chander/Monica and Joey/Rachel.

Say it with me now! Execution!

(37) "Romance Trope, but gay" is not an absolute rule to live by. If She Ra taught us anything it's that "Gay Reylo" was not actually an improvement.

(38) Someone on this hellsite once made the remark "We need more lesbian noncon because purity is boring." That is a dangerous, violent person. Do not listen to them, they do not have a point, seriously my fucking god what is wrong with you people?!

(39) Women who fetishize abuse (Reylos, Catradoras, KiGos, ect) and present it as something feminist and paint detractors as misogynists are gaslighting you. Don't listen to them.

(40) If abuse fetishists are giving you shit for not caving to their demands, just block them. Don't argue with them, don't debate them, don't treat them with good faith. Just block them and get on with your day.

(37- 40) Speaking to the choir…

(41) Rape victims are not villains and should never be written as villains. Don't be like @Blizzard_Ent . It costs $0 to not be a misogynistic pig.

*exhale*

A villain character can have a bad thing happen to them that leads to their mess up mental state. Again, depends on the story and how it is executed.

(42) If straight men really hate a certain character, but lesbians love them, there's an 90% chance that is your best character.

How Tumblr and Twitter side with some of the worst characters, I’m going No for 300, Alex. (And now, I’m sad. RIP Alex Trebeck)

(43) If one of your writers believes Simon (Infinity Train) was misunderstood and Grace is a villain, that writer should be fired immediately.

I have not watched Infinity Train because lack of interest. So, I can’t add anything here.

(44) The best solution to a love triangle is polyamory.

Or properly build up alternate partners. You can do like Tenchi Muyo! GXP and use fictional alien marriage work arounds. Pick your poison.

(45) If you have a male character who actually shows respect and admiration to a woman, and some of your viewers call that character a "simp" there is a 90% chance you have a good character.

Unless, they are a door mate and let the woman tap dance all over them. I thought you don’t approve of abuse fetishist.

(46) "Mary Sue" is not a real criticism. It's thiny veiled misogyny. Always disregard it.

Gary Stus are a thing too. They both suck!

(47) Emotional vulnerability does not make a female character "antifeminist."

Thank you. I can agre-

(48) Goblins are inherently antisemitic

Let me guess… Orcs are black people too. *breaths in* LEAVE!

(49) If your first thought when told about a bigoted trope (Bury your gays, Goblins, ect) is to try and figure out how to "do it well" you are a huge turd who is missing the point. It's not that these tropes aren't "done well", it's that they're done too much.

I can handle a good race or gay joke when it’s done tastefully. Again, execution!

(50) Writing a relationship based on a "dynamic" or trying to get a particular trope (ie, enemies to lovers) into the story is a bad decision.

Execution.

(51) Vitriol does not immediately render criticism invalid. If you tone police criticism, you will likely miss something important.

Pot meet Kettle. I’m sorry, but after the joshscorcher mess. YOU are one to talk!

(52) Your fandom will fight and argue. This is how people solve conflicts. It's typically better to let people fight it out than to be complacent and beg people to "just stop fighting."

This is agreeable. Unless, a company sales their reboot on badly handled political correct BS! Then, they do not have the right to talk either!

(53) Related to the above, "every headcanon is valid" should never leave your mouth. Do you want pedophiles and fascists in your fanbase? Because that's how you get pedophiles and fascists in your fanbase.

>Fascist.

Yep, you’re right. *looks directly at Lily*

(54) Speaking out against abuse fetishists, pedophiles, and bigots in your fanbase will always be better in the long run than being quiet or complacent. It might be exhausting to deal with, but it's better for everyone in the long run.

You should also call out PC police too. I do not want to deal with a dude creepying on Pippi Longstocking and some loon screaming that the same series is proof of critical race theory in the SAME GOD FORESAKEN THREAD!

(55) "Fanservice" is a concept you should never think about. Fans who need to be "serviced" are not actually fans. If you have fans, those fans are already having fun and don't need to be pandered to.

Agreed.

(56) The tendency for shipping to dominate discourse is the biggest sign that characters and their relationships are more satisfying than anything else. People didn't petition for a 4th season of Kim Possible to see what happened with Drakken or to see new villains.

Kim x Ron wasn’t the only reason people love Kim Possible. Also, romance dominance is another reason that I hate Aleheather with a passion!

(57) Complaints about "too much negativity" is shooting the messenger. If there is an overabundance of negativity, that means there's things to be negative about. People cannot be positive without things to be positive about.

Kataang, Goku leaving to mentor Uub, and Steve Urkel becoming a main character in Family Matters. These are things that I genially love as a writer. They have been lambasted for years. People will find things to complain about, but we all have different opinions.

(58) If you do something bigoted and get yelled at for it, listen to the people yelling at you. Cancel Culture isn't real, the rage and vitriol will be gone in two weeks, and you'll be a better person for it. Getting yelled at stopped being "the end of the world" at age 10.

>Cancel Culture isn’t real

Jontron, Johnny Depp, Vic Mignogna, and ProJared enter the FRIKKEN CHAT!!!

(59) The quickest and easiest way to make yelling stop is to own up to the mistake, don't make excuses (or explain why you did the bad thing), fix it, and never repeat it. Progressives are very forgiving if you give them results. Stubbornness is what gets people cancelled.

>Progressives are very forgiving

As someone who followed GamerGate, ComicsGate, and the 2020 election fraud feud, lolnope!

(60) "Forced Diversity" is a right-wing dogwhistle, not a criticism.

As a black writer, it is a criticism. Don’t put a character in your story to just fill a quota. They need to feel naturally there.

(61) "Reclaimed" slurs are not universal, and as such should NEVER be included in a work.

Again, it depends when the story is taking place especially if you want to touch on the darker parts.

(62) Oppressed people fighting against their oppressors are not "Villains." No I don't care if you think they "went too far." Not all those who respond with violence are wrong, and not all those who preach nonviolence are right to do so.

Execution. The twist that a group of people is actually the villains can work. You just have to be tasteful. Otherwise, it can be as Catch 22 as handling trans characters.

(63) Related to the above: A good spin on the "Heroes who never kill" mantra is to highlight how refusing to kill a villain who later goes on to kill more innocent people makes the hero responsible for those deaths. There's a free story theme for ya.

I think Batman and Superman had stories dealing with them kill or suppressing villians. This never goes well.

(64) If you're writing fantasy and you have no issue having dragons in your world but suddenly think people of color are "unrealistic" because "something something Medivel Europe" you're a huge turd. And an idiot.

Creating an alternate world or being historically accurate is a thing. Learn it!

(65) Sexual Tension and Chemistry are not the only indicators of a potential relationship, and in a relationship is the quickest thing to fade.

This is a thing in relationships. There are ups and downs. Again, reality influence fiction.

(66) The best potential romantic partner for a character is her best friend. They're best friends for a reason.

This is true. Again, it depends on execution of the story.

(67) "I don't want X character to be defined by her relationships" is a stupid philosophy to have. EVERYONE is defined by their relationships. That's how human beings work.

So, some nut can be friends or was friends with a very nice person. Does this make the nut a potential good person or the nice one potentially crazy?

…

Execution.

(68) If you don't want a character to only be remembered for a romantic subplot, don't end the story on that subplot reaching it's conclusion. Give it time to sink in and become the new "normal" for the viewer. The memorable moment will always be the LAST moment.

(69) "Slow Burn" does not mean "Taking forever to get together." It means "Full series long romantic subplot." Getting together is the START of a romantic subplot, not the end.

(68-69 ‘Nice’) - So, you just want them to hook up in the middle of the story. Like 50ish tips ago. This is honestly filler.

(70) "Sexual Awakening" is not a real character arc.

IT IS. Most coming of age stories are full of these.

(71) The only people who think "Boob Armor" makes sense are people who have never touched a boob.

If you mean Armor Bikinis, they are impractical. However, if you are talking about armor with breast cups. I go with bra logic, and it’s keeps the breast from having shape issues. I’ll just leave it that.

(72) The Bow and Arrow are strength weapons, not dexterity weapons. Female characters who do archery should naturally be very physically strong. Longbows have a draw weight of 80-150lbs. Rangers are always stronger than Warriors, deal with it.

This subjective. You saying a female buster sword user is weaker than a elf with a bow? What does this have to do with writing?

(73) The best way to avoid tokenism is multiple characters.

Or just make their race fit the theme and setting of the story. Again, make your characters feel natural.

(74) Want an easy way to become more accustomed to diverse casts? Limit your "Straight, white, cis" characters to one of each. Those can be three characters for each trait, or pack it all into one character, but only one of each.

Again, creative restrictions. Not all people of a race are the same.

(75) Don't be afraid of failure and backlash. If someone is screaming at you about how a character you made is racist, that is literally free writing advice that someone is just giving you. Look on the bright side of life for a change.

Again, if the redneck character’s arc is that he learns to treat people that he’s ignorant about better. Execution!

(76) People of color and LGBTA people are allowed to just exist. Don't feel like you HAVE to cover bigotry just because they're in the story. In fact, people will be happier if you don't because having these characters defined by suffering is itself a tired trope.

Debatable. Some stories like this can work for historical fiction. It’s when it goes into modern politics where it all goes downhill.

(77) "I just want my readers/viewers to have fun" is an excellent attitude to have when it comes to storytelling.

You can just have a story that you want to tell as well. Fun can depend on what your story covers.

(78) As a general rule, Slice of Life has always been a more popular genre than Action/Adventure

Honestly, action/adventure fiction catches as much scrutiny as animation because they are put in the “for kids” category even when some series can handle adult themes and topics like GOT and Futurama.

(79) "Feature Creep" is a problem in storytelling as well. You don't have to cram every single idea, reference and homage you can think of into a story. You can save ideas for another time.

This goes on the flow section. Just some ideas are better left on the cutting room floor.

(80) D&D Alignments are terrible metrics for character design. They're meant as a quick reference for improvisation in a TTRPG environment and shouldn't be taken outside that environment.

Again, subjective and execution.

(81) When writing LGBTA characters, stay as far away from "Rocky Horror Picture Show" as you possibly can. Some gay people hold it up as a meaningful part of our "culture." It is not. It's a transmisgynistic nightmare made by an actual TERF, not a reference guide for ANYTHING.

Subjective. Also way to go on, telling queer folk that they can’t enjoy a character AGAIN because you don’t. This is like hating on a black boy for liking 50 Cent because the latter gets shot at lot.

(82) The Q-slur as a concept tactily reinforces heteronormativity by casting LGBTA people as inherently "strange." In "No Big Deal" representation, the word should be avoided. Normalizing LGBTA people and the Q-Slur are like oil and water and don't go together.

What?

(83) Rape is an unforgivable crime, more so than killing. Killing can potentially be justified in a story without becoming a villain. Rape cannot.

They’re both evil!! Why is this a debate about which is worse!?!

(84) Sex scenes are never necessary. You want to include one because you're horny, then more power to you. But any attempt to justify it as "important to the story" will only get you laughed at.

Yeah, I agree.

(85) "Strong" characters can still cry and need support from others. Vulnerability is not a character flaw.

Kindness is NOT Weakness!

(86) "Peak TV" is a fancy way of saying "Addiction-fueled misery porn."

Again, what?

(87) Addiction-based storytelling relies on serialization, cliffhangers, "shocking twists", constantly raised stakes, and an obsession with foreshadowing to get people to watch not because they're enjoying themselves but because they're stuck on a tension high.

(87, Pt 2) By the end, the viewer is only watching for closure because they've already invested so much and they need their fix in order to feel like it was worth it. This is the same business model that soap operas use.

(87 All) Again, story flow. Sometimes, this can leave a story, episode or chapter with a cliffhanger. Some writers are episodic while others can handle serialization. Don’t restrict this.

(88) If the Sunk Cost Fallacy didn't exist, shows like Steven Universe and Game of Thrones would have been cancelled by Season 2.

They failed because execution as well as trying to subverting expectations without thinking about the story flow. How is this a writing tip?

(89) Hardcore fans will tell you that "Continuity" is the most important thing. They're wrong.

Yes, a heroic character who is known to fly should never use that power to save a kidnapped kid. Or the woman with who can attack people with magicial limbs. Or a dude with air slashes. Or a stretching powers. Wano is a mess.

(90) "This is too political" is a complaint only made by conservatives when a story acknowledges that non-white and non-straight people exist. The existence of other kinds of people is not political. Ignore these complaints.

*facepalm*

‘As a black writer, it is a criticism. Don’t put a character in your story to just fill a quota. They need to feel naturally there.’

(91) The Little Mermaid and Cinderella are more feminist than Beauty and the Beast.

Subjective.

(92) If you want to know when to change a trans character's pronouns in the narration, doing so at the moment where they realize who they are and admit it to themselves out loud is *chef's kiss*

*double facepalm*

‘Okay, let’s real here. The best way to handle this to introduce a character who is trans and never reveal it. Otherwise, there is too much red tape that I need to explain why writing and drawing this type of character is a death warrant.’

(93) As long as it isn't harmful or bigoted, you don't have to justify story decisions made on the basis of self-indulgence.

If people ask, it doesn’t hurt to explain your train of thought. It grounds you.

(94) Vampires/Werewolves are not inherently "LGBTA-Coded" and doing so is an example of othering. They work better as metaphors for aristocracy and predators respectively than as the "Underclass."

Again, What?

(95) Some of the best stories ever made were written as an act of spite.

Dr. Seuss and Tolkien want to speak to you.

(96) Any system of government (with the exception of Fascism) can exist in a positive or negative context. Monarchies are not always inherently evil (see Hawaii pre-annexation) and Democracies are not always inherently good (See USA). Write accordingly.

Pffft!! I’m not touching that! NEXT!

(97) "Lesbian still on good terms with ex-boyfriend from before coming out" is a really cute friendship trope. And vice versa.

Meh.

(98) The only real difference between an extremely close platonic relationship and a romantic relationship is what the people involved choose to call it. Best Friends are not something that should ever be prefixed with the word "Just."

Men and Women can be friends. Again, depends on the story and characters.

(99) Normalize friends saying "I love you" to each other.

Hugs maybe. But, love is a STRONG word! Especially used on the wrong person or character(?).

(100) If you write a 100-tweet long thread of writing advice, you are a huge loser with way too much free time on your hands. Get back to work and do something productive with your time!

Take a break. Social Media literally rots your brain.

This was a trek to read. Most of these depend on the execution and the story that's being written. Others are extremely specific or very restrictive. There are few things that I agree with. However, they are mostly moral related stuff like pedophilia and rape being horrible for an example. This was nothing , but someone wanting pushing their desires or grips. Then, selling them as facts. This leaves no room for nuance. People have different beliefs, interest, and desires. Some stories, comics, films, and shows either do or don't fulfill these. It's a fact of life. The sooner that people (including myself) realize this and stop selling their opinion as the only correct one. The better the world will be better. The arguments that spark don't matter as long as there is a real compromise. I'll end on this here by saying thanks you all reading and have a good one. Peace.